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The Blank Generation Part Three: From the Eighties to Now

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With the passing of the "Golden Age of Music" in the sixties and seventies came the eighties, nineties, and the music of today. Sadly, when the seventies passed, the Clash passed with them, and, in my opinion, the only authentic punk music ever to be made. Punk still exists today, but we don't know it by the same name. Now it's alternative, or alt, thrash, emo, hardcore, and many other names. Punk in its purest form now is very rare, but we can still see it in such obscure bands as Fugazi.

In the eighties, though, a strange phenomenon emerged: gender mixing. We still see this today in such circles as goth, emo, punk, and so forth. Not many people can define a clear turning point for this phenomenon, but I posit that Ziggy Stardust prompted a generational fad in the form of blurring the gender line. That's right; David Bowie's alien band from Mars, Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders, introduced the idea that people need not be strictly male or female. It would be perfectly acceptable for a man to wear women's clothing, or vice versa. It is possible that Bowie obtained this idea from a popular punk band of the seventies - the New York Dolls - who always dressed in drag onstage and on album covers. Bowie's Stardust character wore tight pants, and appeared quite androgenous to the audience. This enthralled the people in attendance, who then took this idea into their lifestyles. Although Bowie's music has been primarily classified under the "new wave" category, (where it rightly belongs) this idea of blurring the gender line diffused into the punk culture. The eighties also saw a rise in the general alternative movement with bands like Sonic Youth, REM, the Violent Femmes, and the Butthole Surfers.

The scene of the next music breakout phenomenon was in Seattle in the 90s. A new form of music, centered around a vague-sounding guitar and scratchy vocals, called grunge, was on the rise in 1991 after a band called Nirvana released their first album, entitled Nevermind. Soon after, bands like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers showed up on the scene with their own claims to fame. Record companies were confused about the popularity of these seemingly talentless bands, but were quick to sign them to their own labels before other companies got to them. Confused by their success, many grunge bands did not know what to do. They had to continue writing songs that they had no inspiration for, and had to pay record companies money that they didn't have. Well, it wasn't long before Nirvana's Kurt Cobain shot himself in the head with a shotgun, and soon after that, grunge fell off the scene almost entirely, giving birth to a newer, more palatable version of its ideals.

Today, we have garage rock. It may not sound like much, but record companies were scrambling to sign such bands as the Killers, the Strokes, the Hives, and the Hush Sound. This music is a blend of amateurish musicianship combined with genuine poetry, emulating a startup band practicing in a garage. This label has since been replaced with "alt-rock," and continues to thrive.

So, as we come to the sad end of my short series, we must conclude that the punk subculture, however small, still exists, and not only that, but exerted, and still exerts a major influence on the popular music of today. Such fields of music as grunge, rock itself, new wave, hardcore, emo, emocore, and garage rock all owe their roots to punk music and culture. And so, as the punk culture struggles to endure, ask yourself this: Ask not what your punk culture can do for you, ask why your punk culture would even consider that in the first place.

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{"commentId":1396638,"authorDomain":"rkfan"}

Bonus points if you can tell me who the picture is of.

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    Reply#1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1400188,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    A couple things:

    The Red Hot Chili Peppers were around and popular before grunge - I'm pretty sure about that.

    IF you want to see a good documentary about the rise and fall of grunge rent Hype. The best part is when one Seattle person started making up terminology she said was part of the grunge movement and, if I recall right, they made it into the New York Times.

    Also, you left out the rise and fall of the straight edge punk movement, the idea that the best way to fight society and improve oneself was to "flex your head" and abstain from alcohol and drugs.

    I would have probably also mentioned Rage Against the Machine which brought punk to many people and was probably the most popular real punk band of the last ten years.

    Green Day, incidentally, started out as a punk band but I don't consider their last few albums punk.Heck, that one song "time of my life" was used at several high school graduation ceremonies I've covered even though I'm not sure if it's the pure song those using it at the ceremony are taking it as.

    lastly I agree with Dennis below that gender mixing started way before Bowie.

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    #1.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:22 AM EST
    {"commentId":1400503,"authorDomain":"rkfan"}

    I think, after all the comments, that this article has been the most factually inaccurate of all of these. I'm really sorry about this one, guys. About the Bowie thing, though, that was just a hypothesis. I thought that maybe he brought it to the masses in the 80s.

    By the way, I didn't include Rage because they're not really punk, they're more alt metal.

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    #1.2 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:46 AM EST
    {"commentId":1401094,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
    By the way, I didn't include Rage because they're not really punk, they're more alt metal.

    Eh, I'm not sure I'd agree with that classification either.

    {"commentId":1401094,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
      #1.3 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:21 PM EST
      {"commentId":1401821,"authorDomain":"rkfan"}

      Well, yeah, neither do I, but it's really difficult for me to think of them as punk. Agree to disagree?

      {"commentId":1401821,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"rkfan"}
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      #1.4 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:35 PM EST
      {"commentId":1405543,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
      Agree to disagree

      Agreed.

      {"commentId":1405543,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
        #1.5 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:01 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1396721,"authorDomain":"markthemuse"}

        Logan,

        Bonus points if you can tell me who the picture is of.

        What pic??

        {"commentId":1396721,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"markthemuse"}
          Reply#2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:02 PM EST
          {"commentId":1397831,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

          i don't see any photo(s)

          {"commentId":1397831,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
            #2.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:01 PM EST
            {"commentId":1397963,"authorDomain":"rkfan"}

            Oh, sorry. It was supposed to show a picture of the Strokes. They're one of my favorite bands.

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              #2.2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:36 PM EST
              {"commentId":1399793,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              In that case...

              Bonus points if you can tell me who the picture is of.

              I'm going to guess it's a band whose name rhymes with croaks

              But seriously I want to repeat my recommendation from your last article about renting or reading this:

              also good is American Hardcore
              (either the book or the dvd) which is also an oral history with more focus on the straight edge movement

              My first exposures to punk came via the Clash but then listening to local punk bands like Bad Religion but it was Minor Threat and, later, Fugazi and Seven Seconds that really moved me, with both the tempo and the lyrics. They also put on great live shows.

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              #2.3 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:05 AM EST
              {"commentId":1411519,"authorDomain":"rkfan"}
              I'm going to guess it's a band whose name rhymes with croaks

              *Scott gains Logan's favour*

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                #2.4 - Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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                {"commentId":1396966,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                I'm sorry, my friend, but in this installment you're way, way off.

                In the eighties, though, a strange phenomenon emerged: gender mixing.

                Gender bending/ androgyny in rock has been around since the 50's. Little Richard. Screamin' Jay Hawkins.

                David Bowie's alien band from Mars, Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders, introduced the idea that people need not be strictly male or female.

                No, they started Glam, which was about more than just androgyny. It also brought sci-fi and fantasy into the mix. Bowie wasn't the only one... Bolan and T Rex, Roxy Music...

                Although Bowie's music has been primarily classified under the "new wave" category, (where it rightly belongs)

                Bowie was never New Wave. Bowie has been almost everything else, though. Beginning as a Folkie and moving through Glam, Soul, Dance, Electronic... but always Rock.

                Today, we have garage rock.

                60s. MC5. Stooges.

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                Reply#3 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:59 PM EST
                {"commentId":1397086,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
                Today, we have garage rock.

                The doo-wop classic Earth Angel was literally recorded in a garage. The Troggs, the Fuggs, the Holy Modal Rounders whoever-the-@!$%# did Louie Louie...

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                #3.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:24 PM EST
                {"commentId":1397836,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                Bowie was never New Wave

                I thought the Modern Love album was New Wave but I thought it one of his weakest - thought probably best-selling - album.

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                  #3.2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:02 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1397854,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                  You mean Let's Dance? Nah, it was, um, dance.

                  The new wave was over by 1983, when it came out.

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                  #3.3 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:07 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1398394,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                  Yeah, Let's Dance, that's the one I'm thinking of. It was.. i don't know if dance is the right word either... as close as he got to pop, I guess.

                  {"commentId":1398394,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                    #3.4 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:33 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":1400218,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

                    I'd point out there was also some good stuff in 90s punk. The early 90s were when Rancid was still good, and NOFX still rules the world for some people I know. Not to mention Jawbreaker is one of my Favorite Bands of All Time.

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                    Reply#4 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:30 AM EST
                    {"commentId":1400241,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                    And the best Fugazi came out in the 90s and I LOVED Embrace and Pailhead (both of which I think were also 90s) with Ian McKaye, the latter combining Ministry with McKaye.

                    Bad Religion's best material also came in the 90s, if I recall correctly.

                    See 1.1 for more.

                    It was about 1990 that I really got into punk, courtesy of a roommate who was straight-edge - he had to explain to me what that was - and a hari krishna punker who was later in Inside Out. I interviewed him and did a few profiles of him before he went on to, I think, Shelter while the singer he was playing with went on to start Rage Against the Machine.

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                    #4.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:36 AM EST
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                    {"commentId":1675993,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                    Did someone tape the one hour documentary on National Geographic last nite? It was called straight edge and was about the straight edge punk movement. It was narrarated by Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth. If anyone recorded it email me.

                    {"commentId":1675993,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                      Reply#5 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":1676139,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

                      I'd like to get that too, if anyone has it. I didn't even know it was happening.

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                      • 1 vote
                      #5.1 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":1676167,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                      It was on at 10 pm but I was offline when I saw it was coming on.

                      {"commentId":1676167,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                        #5.2 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":1676173,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                        What is this "offline" of which you speak?

                        {"commentId":1676173,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
                        • 4 votes
                        #5.3 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":1676496,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        Imagine if you lost all electricity to your home, Dennis. No tv, music or computer. It'd be sort of like that.

                        This might helpexplain how one goes offline.

                        {"commentId":1676496,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #5.4 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1676511,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
                        What is this "offline" of which you speak?
                        Imagine if you lost all electricity to your home, Dennis. No tv, music or computer.

                        Ah, I get it. Dennis, I think it's a synonym for "dead."

                        {"commentId":1676511,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"deatienza"}
                        • 4 votes
                        #5.5 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1676524,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
                        No tv, music or computer. It'd be sort of like that.
                        I think it's a synonym for "dead."

                        You guys are scaring me.

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                        #5.6 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1679580,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        About time - you've been scaring me for months:)

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                        #5.7 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
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                        {"commentId":1679862,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

                        Which pic? Racer X or the guy from the cable show who shows off that he has a real job?

                        Things don't seem to be as easy
                        As they used to be
                        It's getting harder everyday
                        To think of better things to say
                        About what's going on around you
                        And what's happening inside you
                        When it's time to change you won't know how
                        It won't matter years from now

                        No matter what you think
                        Or do or say
                        Everything turns grey
                        This is it, the darkest hour
                        Isn't it depressing
                        How our minds create an atmosphere
                        That won't happen here
                        Unless we make some new demands
                        To grasp the future in our hands
                        You know I wish we could but it's too late
                        For senseless minds that love to hate
                        No matter what they think
                        Or do or say
                        Everything turns grey

                        Do you know who sang those prescient lyrics? You know mang, I think you gotta $1,000,000 idea here: "Bitter Trivial Pursuit". Finally, I'll get my piece of the pie...

                        {"commentId":1679862,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
                          Reply#6 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":3177186,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                          Logan I thought you'd appreciate this - Ben Kingsley does Minor Threat

                          {"commentId":3177186,"threadId":"208040","contentId":"1252004","authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                            Reply#7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":3403607,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                            I love life's little coincidences. For example, we recently talked here and elsewhere about punk shows and what should I see on sale for $9.99 at Food Lion today but the American Hardcore documentary, which is based on the good book by the same name. If you are a punk fan or would like to learn more about life when punk was big, through the eyes of some punk icons, check out this movie.

                            I bought a copy which I'll mail to people if they email me.

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                              Reply#8 - Thu Oct 9, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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